jmtorres: movieverse Steve Rogers with dorky grin. Text: The future is awesome! Who else is a robot? (steve rogers)
jmtorres ([personal profile] jmtorres) wrote2011-11-26 01:16 pm

Oh my god

I cannot fix all the badfic and I should tamp down hard on the desire to TRY. Like, that one wasn't even badly written, it just could have been more interesting with a slightly different premise, and it was off a kinkmeme so you fill what you get asked, I get that.

AND I DID NOT NEED SLAVE!TONY IN MY HEAD ASKING FOR A BETTER STORY FML

ETA: Other things that freak me out about fanfiction: horrifying Tony with Steve/Howard. And like, the weird thing is, I'm pretty sure, based on the whole Carter legacy, that if Steve had slept with Howard it would turn him into an obsessed creepface about Tony, but I don't get the sense that fandom is drawing that parallel, I think fandom is just having its own personal id all over everything creepface issues. (I SAY THIS WITH LOVE. I AM NOT JUDGING YOUR CREEPFACE. MUCH.)

On the other hand, I think it would be really hilarious to horrify STEVE with Tony knowing about Steve/Howard. It was just one of those things--Dad bagged Captain America. (I am imagining Tony got told as a teenager when he started sleeping with boys and Howard was like "You think this is a rebellion? Let me tell you about my boyfriends, trust me, you're not rebelling against anything here," and frankly, Steve is HORRIFIED that the tale of their LOVE got used this way. Tony is like, "Whatever, I was pretty horrible as a teenager, I probably deserved it." Ahahaha, oh Tony, as a teenager you were horrible. Yes.)
jackandahat: A brown otter, no text. (Default)

Re: Do I need a safeword with fandom? Yes, apparently.

[personal profile] jackandahat 2011-11-26 10:31 pm (UTC)(link)
*nods* Yeah, your answer was a good way of doing it - and now I'll know in future that if you post something like this, that's what you mean.

Funnily enough, in a way it's my cultural programming coming into play too - because my experience of "People post saying they're not writing something" is that they do mean "Talk me into it/encourage me". Obviously that only holds for fic posts, not "serious stuff", but yeah, it's going by what I've been "taught" by other people. I spent years taking people at face value, then got told I was interpreting people wrong. Damn confusing human beans.

The whole softening-no thing can be so awkward, I've been cursed out to hell and back for actually enforcing my boundaries (I got called a rude c*** this week for telling someone that if I wanted disability advice I would ask.) because some people get so pissy about people actually having boundaries.
jackandahat: A brown otter, no text. (Default)

Re: Do I need a safeword with fandom? Yes, apparently.

[personal profile] jackandahat 2011-11-27 08:24 am (UTC)(link)
What you're saying made sense - as I said earlier on, part of it was not knowing you, and not knowing what you mean by things, so I only have "other people in fandom" to go on as a benchmark - and the people I was going off do use "no" and "I'm not" in posts where everyone knows they're waiting to be talked into something.

Reading down the comments, I didn't even think of this as being related to sex, because I don't view fic that way. How you reacted makes more sense - the "no means no" rstatement is something I always equate with rape discussions, and you moving straight to that made me defensive as hell. But if your view on fic-writing is that it's a sexual thing, then that *does* make sense now.

Funnily enough, all this was what I was hoping to avoid by *asking*. Ah well, happens.